Wednesday, March 28, 2007

Fade out again

The latest Lostprophets single is very good. In fact, I really like the whole album. Also been listenin' to a fair bit of Bob Dylan. Good stuff.
Mmm, not much new is going on. You really can't count on people. I gave this fella £40 for some stuff which he was supposed to bring to me Monday. Rescheduled for Tuesday. I waited by my 'phone all night, and nothing. I then found out that he didn't have time in the end, but didn't think to let me know. I think he was on a lot of drugs, but still.
The last episode of Skins was amazing and prompted me to borrow some Cat Stevens off my Dad. Good music, shame he gave it up for religion. That seems so ludicrous to me; giving up music. I suppose not finding religion would seem ludicrous to him, though.
I'm getting tired of people pushing their faith in my face, but I suppose trying to convert people is part and parcel of most modern religions. I like Buddhism, if I liked it more than my current lifestyle, I'd probably have a stab at being Buddhist for a while. I'm gettin' by, though.
13 weeks and 2 days until I quit my job. Too long.

So if consciousness could exist in the 2nd dimension, they wouldn't be able to perceive 3D shapes; they would only see a bit at a time... Like a cross section. So if "time" or space-time or whatever is the 4th dimension and we are 3 dimensional beings, we are only perceiving a cross section of time at a time; makes sense. That's why we experience the passage of time.
Of course, squares don't have consciousness... Do you think beings exist in the 4th dimension with some sort of hyper-consciousness? Do you think they talk about us as though we were squares? Is that God?
I typed "probably not", but I don't know why that's unlikely.
So, say this is the 3rd dimension... Is there another dimension of 2 planes? Because 2D shapes don't really exist here; just really, really thin things. So is there a reality of the 2nddimension?
Again, probably not, but I don't really know why.

Tacos are delicious. Street Spirit is very hard to play. I want some tea.

4 comments:

GD said...

I've been waiting to get a half for almost a week now.

Tea for the Tillerman and Wild World have always been rad, i've never heard any other good Cat Stevens shit. Haven't heard the new Lost Prophets either cos i've pretty much given up hope with them.

James James said...

Your writing is rather confused. If consciousnesses only percieved two spatial dimensions, and time, they would indeed see a slice of a 3D shape as it passed through their 2D plane. In "Flatland" (http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext95/flat10a.txt - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatland - an amusing Victorian satire; one of the novels where the narrator describes his native land and societal customs to the readers), the narrator, a square, is visited by a sphere, which appears as a circle that changes size as it moves through their plane.

But time is not quite like that. In Flatland, the whole sphere exists all at once, but the square can only perceive a slice of it. However, time is not a spatial dimension. It is not the case that all events ever are occuring at the same time, just we perceive a slice of time. No, time is an objective dimension in which events occur in sequence. We only perceive the present, but that does not mean that the future is already there, for us to move into. That would be incorrectly treating time as a spatial dimension.

Yes, there could be higher-dimensional beings. But we have no evidence for this. And there isn't much reason to suppose that they would be cleverer than us. Perhaps a higher number of dimensions would allow them to store much more information and information-processing equipment than we can given a certain volume(!) of space.

Then, "So, say this is the 3rd dimension... Is there another dimension of 2 planes? Because 2D shapes don't really exist here; just really, really thin things. So is there a reality of the 2nddimension?" What do you mean? I have no idea what you mean by "is there a reality of the 2nddimension?"

Though I won't say anything about four-dimensional beings, I'll say with confidence that two-dimensional beings do not exist. We live in a (as far as we can tell) 3-dimensional world. Two-dimensional things cannot exist in it. They would have to be infinitely thin, which is the same as having no thickness at all, so would have no substance, which is the same as not existing.

And even 2D objects did exist, how would they do anything? What would they push against to move? So 2D life could not evolve. And even if it did, how would it sense, or see? How could light move around the 2D plane? It wouldn't, of course - light would move through the 2D plane (because it's in a 3D world, bouncing off 3D objects. Being infinitely thin, the chances of a photon moving along the plane are infinitely small, i.e. zero.

Abbott says "for the light comes to us alike... equally at all times and in all places, whence we know not". But this light would show them the outside world, because it would have been reflected off things in the outside world. How would they see anything, if light reflecting off 2D objects never bounced along the plane to a 2D eye. And what would 2D eyes be like? What would they be made of? Not atoms.

You can see that the idea of a 2D world in our world is inconsistent with what we know about the universe, and frankly, ridiculous.

The evolutionist perspective is that we have evolved to perceive the world in a way conducive to our survival. We are equipped with first-class simulation software, and our eyes have evolved to see natural light (which there is a lot of - the sun emits it the most).

Anonymous said...

I saw Cassie from Skins two times in as many days the other week, TRUE story!

GD said...

She'd get raw bangs